-<xlog server="chat.freenode.net" channel="#existdb" date="2008-03-11">

<message nick="rat045" time="03:14:13.791Z">has anyone tried the ant tasks for eXist before?</message>

-<message nick="rat045" time="03:14:29.562Z">

i'm having trouble with the xquery task:

<a href="http://exist.sourceforge.net/ant-tasks.html#N103F9">http://exist.sourceforge.net/ant-tasks.html#N103F9</a>

</message>

<message nick="rat045" time="03:14:55.047Z">seems as though the 'destfile' attribute is undefined in the implementation, although it is documented to exist</message>

<message nick="rat045" time="03:15:06.352Z">instead, "destdir " works, but writes to file</message>

<message nick="rat045" time="03:15:10.398Z">an error perhaps?</message>

<message nick="DiZzZz" time="11:09:45.784Z">hi perig.... no el-presidente?</message>

<message nick="perig_" time="11:10:09.996Z">not yet, gringo :-)</message>

<message nick="_delirium" time="11:11:05.382Z">DiZzZz, erm you message is a bit jumbled</message>

<message nick="_delirium" time="11:11:33.76Z">DiZzZz, if you are using PUT, GET, POST then you can use Basic Authentication - which is a HTTP Header that gets sent by the client</message>

<message nick="_delirium" time="11:12:10.4Z">DiZzZz, if you are working strictly with xqueries then you can use xmldb:login() and the username/password will be preserved for the lifetime of the http session</message>

<message nick="_delirium" time="11:12:24.579Z">unfortunately these two are not linked at the moment, but need to be when we re-design the REST Server</message>

<message nick="_delirium" time="11:21:10.864Z">DiZzZz, that all ok?</message>

<message nick="DiZzZz" time="11:21:47.724Z">sorry :-)</message>

<message nick="DiZzZz" time="11:22:11.597Z">ah. well it is not about eXist-db it was a general question</message>

<message nick="DiZzZz" time="11:22:36.721Z">I know B.A. but I just wandered if there were other routes</message>

<message nick="DiZzZz" time="11:22:51.28Z">need to know the alternatives :-)</message>

<message nick="DiZzZz" time="11:23:05.95Z">from googlechat: well..... the 'REST" style for authentication</message>

<message nick="_delirium" time="11:23:07.833Z">Well erm what are you trying to do?</message>

<message nick="_delirium" time="11:23:33.698Z">Well there is Basic Authentication or there is the XQuery session authentication</message>

<message nick="_delirium" time="11:23:39.656Z">i dont know of any others</message>

<message nick="_delirium" time="11:23:52.644Z">maybe we support Digest Authentication, but im not sure</message>

<message nick="DiZzZz" time="11:24:12.721Z">create an HTTP/REST interface for authentication (and authorization, but that is not relevant now) for externall apps..... that is: software not running on our app server.</message>

<message nick="DiZzZz" time="11:24:31.907Z">well it is not about eXist right now</message>

<message nick="_delirium" time="11:27:04.544Z">well sounds like Basic Auth or Digest Auth is the way to go</message>

-<message nick="_delirium" time="11:27:41.855Z">

DiZzZz,

<a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Basic_authentication_scheme">http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Basic_authentication_scheme</a>

</message>

-<message nick="_delirium" time="11:27:58.938Z">

DiZzZz,

<a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Digest_access_authentication">http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Digest_access_authentication</a>

</message>

<message nick="_delirium" time="11:28:42.117Z">is that what you were looking for?</message>

<message nick="_delirium" time="11:29:02.455Z">obviously do it over SSL etc</message>

<message nick="_delirium" time="11:30:58.032Z">brb gotta restart</message>

<message nick="_delirium" time="11:44:39.037Z">DiZzZz, did that help?</message>

<message nick="DiZzZz" time="11:50:01.254Z">well B.A. and D.A. ... these I know....</message>

<message nick="DiZzZz" time="11:51:50.182Z">I need to pass a 'token' to the end-application</message>

<message nick="_delirium" time="11:52:25.09Z">you need to pass them some sort of authentication token?</message>

<message nick="_delirium" time="11:52:57.123Z">erm im not really understanding what you are trying to do - is this some sort of proxying?</message>

<message nick="DiZzZz" time="11:53:58.617Z">ah no, too complex. AFter authentication, the 'remote app' needs to get a 'token' , which needs to be used in later steps</message>

<message nick="_delirium" time="11:57:47.187Z">erm who is doing the authentication initially - is it the remote app?</message>

<message nick="_delirium" time="11:59:29.846Z">DiZzZz, I think some jars are missing I get errors in src/org/exist/validation about missing jars?</message>

<message nick="_delirium" time="11:59:47.901Z">or are they downloaded automagically with the build scripts?</message>

<message nick="DiZzZz" time="12:02:18.115Z">validation..... all shuld be there...</message>

<message nick="DiZzZz" time="12:02:33.205Z">I added one jar file to lib/optional I think</message>

<message nick="DiZzZz" time="12:03:22.703Z">lib\optional\onvdl-20070517.jar</message>

<message nick="DiZzZz" time="12:03:33.547Z">lib/optional/onvdl-20070517.jar</message>

<message nick="DiZzZz" time="12:03:49.099Z">should be in trunk</message>

<message nick="DiZzZz" time="12:03:57.66Z">i *know* it is itrunk :-)</message>

<message nick="_delirium" time="12:04:27.491Z">ah its not in .classpath</message>

<message nick="_delirium" time="12:04:55.028Z">DiZzZz, sorry so is it the remote app initiating the authentication - if so they have the token - they dont need it passed back to them,</message>

<message nick="chongma" time="12:52:26.122Z">hello all.</message>

<message nick="chongma" time="12:52:42.204Z">i had problems with concurrency and xquery updates a while back</message>

<message nick="chongma" time="12:53:02.992Z">it prevented me upgrading from 1.0.2 to 1.2</message>

<message nick="chongma" time="12:53:39.422Z">i was reading an exchange between wolfgang and andreas on the mailing list about a possible fix</message>

<message nick="chongma" time="12:54:07.85Z">however andreas changed his xquery updates to xupdates so this fix has not been tested</message>

<message nick="chongma" time="12:54:44.4Z">will there be a release with the fixes available for me to try?</message>

<message nick="wolf77" time="12:58:44.806Z">well, my fix was tested (by the user who sent me the test case, not Andreas) and it certainly removed a serious bug.</message>

<message nick="wolf77" time="12:59:19.423Z">I just think Andreas had other issues in addition to those I fixed, but we have no test for those.</message>

<message nick="wolf77" time="13:00:14.178Z">anyway, you can always download the stable 1.2 branch, which contains all relevant bug fixes</message>

<message nick="chongma" time="13:00:43.808Z">is rev 7446 ok for testing? it is just i have started to see anomalies arising in my development server</message>

<message nick="wolf77" time="13:01:02.053Z">7446 of trunk?</message>

<message nick="chongma" time="13:01:33.005Z">no, i think your email said 1.2 stable</message>

<message nick="wolf77" time="13:02:00.152Z">ah, yes, that's the correct version then.</message>

<message nick="chongma" time="13:02:30.423Z">is it serious enough to issue a new release of 1.2 rather than waiting until 1.2.1?</message>

<message nick="wolf77" time="13:04:25.94Z">1.2.1 would be the bug fix release. I'm basically ready to publish it. However, there's still one open bug which is blocking the release.</message>

<message nick="chongma" time="13:06:37.979Z">that sounds good, i could wait for that release. what bug is blocking?</message>

<message nick="wolf77" time="13:11:56.782Z">there's a recursion issue which I couldn't debug yet and a btree corruption which I have no hope to reproduce.</message>

<message nick="chongma" time="13:17:11.219Z">i am checking out 1.2 stable</message>

<message nick="chongma" time="13:19:04.603Z">is that the version that 1.2.1 will be based on? or is it trunk?</message>

<message nick="wolf77" time="13:20:35.587Z">no, trunk will become 1.3</message>

<message nick="chongma" time="13:26:27.605Z">who reported the btree corruption? why is it hard to reproduce?</message>

<message nick="gev" time="14:22:08.172Z">how can I use filter xqueryurlrewrite in standalone mode?</message>

<message nick="gev" time="14:31:17.207Z">and is "response" avaible in dispatcher script?</message>

<message nick="gev" time="15:23:08.843Z">so, is it poosible use xqueryurlrewrite in standalone mode?</message>

<message nick="gev" time="15:24:40.969Z">I'm trying in server.xml:</message>

<message nick="gev" time="15:25:08.726Z">but have eror in runtime</message>

<message nick="gev" time="15:27:54.291Z">like that eXist is getting dispatch.xq from file system not from db</message>

<message nick="wolf77" time="15:28:09.141Z">I think server.xml has no support for servlet filters, or am I wrong?</message>

<message nick="wolf77" time="15:28:43.818Z">oh, no, I am wrong. It does support filters ;-)</message>

<message nick="wolf77" time="15:29:16.713Z">and yes: dispatch.xq will be loaded from the file system.</message>

<message nick="gev" time="15:40:15.097Z">where can I see loader of query by context (from db or file system)?</message>

<message nick="wolf77" time="15:42:27.607Z">currently, the XQueryURLRewrite uses a FileSource to read the query. You could replace this by a DBSource.</message>

<message nick="wolf77" time="15:43:57.149Z">well, the class could be extended to eiter read from a FileSource or a DBSource</message>

<message nick="gev" time="15:46:36.225Z">what must be the critery to check it?</message>

<message nick="wolf77" time="15:47:01.71Z">maybe an extra configuration parameter?</message>

<message nick="gev" time="15:48:36.088Z">what about like for xquerytrigger?</message>

<message nick="wolf77" time="15:49:17.093Z">I can't say. I didn't really use xquery trigger so far.</message>

<message nick="wolf77" time="15:49:49.928Z">But ... being a trigger, it should probably load its resources from the database only.</message>

<message nick="gev" time="15:51:29.794Z">what if check mode (servlet or standalone)?</message>

<message nick="wolf77" time="15:52:10.749Z">there are more modes than just those two</message>

<message nick="wolf77" time="15:52:29.485Z">why not use a parameter?</message>

<message nick="gev" time="15:52:34.632Z">if standalone and not xquery filter parameter starts from "file:///" then load from db</message>

<message nick="gev" time="15:53:33.001Z">if servlet and not starts from "xmldb:exist:///" - load from file</message>

<message nick="wolf77" time="15:54:17.131Z">but why do you need to distinguish between standalone and servlet mode? and what about embedded mode? if at all, I would just look at the URI.</message>

<message nick="gev" time="15:55:03.714Z">if embeded then by default from db too</message>

<message nick="gev" time="15:56:03.235Z">this is well and for importing modules too</message>

<message nick="gev" time="15:57:02.235Z">or one global extra parameter</message>

<message nick="gev" time="15:57:14.041Z">not only for this filter</message>

<message nick="wolf77" time="15:57:36.952Z">I still don't like the idea</message>

<message nick="gev" time="15:57:58.181Z">but for the servlet</message>

<message nick="wolf77" time="15:58:08.295Z">I can't see a good explanation why the standalone mode should behave differently</message>

<message nick="gev" time="15:59:08.226Z">becouse in standalone mode scripts are in db</message>

<message nick="gev" time="16:00:42.544Z">and logical to think that other scripts are in db too (like for triggers and filters)</message>

<message nick="gev" time="16:02:38.952Z">but in servlet mode default for XQueryServlet is file system</message>

<message nick="gev" time="16:03:43.28Z">what do you think?</message>

<message nick="wolf77" time="16:03:48.106Z">well, at some point we may drop XQueryServlet, but not now.</message>

<message nick="gev" time="16:05:51.414Z">so more logical to use by default db for uri and file system only if "file:///" present in url</message>

<message nick="wolf77" time="16:05:59.545Z">it needs to be part of a larger redesign.</message>

<message nick="wolf77" time="16:06:09.528Z">yes, that would be ok for me.</message>

<message nick="gev" time="16:14:32.011Z">what do you think about next idea: use XQeryUrlRewrite to set response headers, when getting docs (not scripts) from db?</message>

<message nick="gev" time="16:15:20.447Z">or do anithing more?</message>

<message nick="wolf77" time="16:30:34.348Z">sure, I had some ideas for post-filters, but did not implement anything yet.</message>

<message nick="_delirium" time="17:49:41.706Z">wolf77, do you know if xs:dateTime + xs:dayTimeDuration should be valid in a XSLT 2 statement?</message>

<message nick="wolf77" time="17:50:37.872Z">as a cast? why shouldn't they?</message>

<message nick="wolf77" time="17:50:46.964Z">it is valid xpath2</message>

<message nick="_delirium" time="17:51:10.346Z">okay no worries I just needed to convince saxon of the types :-)</message>

<message nick="_delirium" time="17:51:25.947Z">i thought it was valid xpath2 but couldnt understand why it wasnt working</message>

<message nick="DiZzZz" time="17:57:32.295Z">hmmmm gev_ seem to be in new business (looking at irc log)</message>

<message nick="wolf77" time="18:01:43.516Z">so eXist needs 123MB for a 3 million node set... could be a bit too much</message>

<message nick="perig__" time="18:11:12.689Z"> //DbRefImpl may possibly be deeply nested ?</message>

<message nick="wolf77" time="18:13:50.894Z">that should not make a difference for the size of a single NodeProxy</message>

<message nick="perig__" time="18:18:47.907Z">isn't the referenced DLN counted in the memory footprint ? If no, 123 Mb is indeed enormous</message>

<message nick="wolf77" time="18:20:35.483Z">sure, the DLN reference is probably included, which sums up to 50mb</message>

<message nick="perig__" time="18:20:41.702Z">thinking about this :don't these proxies have Match objects ?</message>

<message nick="_delirium" time="18:38:28.471Z">Okay I want to update the demo site shortly with the GSoC stuff</message>

<message nick="_delirium" time="18:44:07.711Z">might need some help</message>

<message nick="_delirium" time="18:45:12.089Z">i cant remember how i do it at all</message>

<message nick="DiZzZz_" time="18:54:12.663Z">maybe i can help.....</message>

<message nick="_delirium" time="18:57:55.676Z">DiZzZz_, yes please</message>

<message nick="DiZzZz_" time="18:58:22.572Z">what is the problem?</message>

<message nick="DiZzZz_" time="18:58:45.654Z">(I cannot login ; my other laptop is 2 floors away)</message>

<message nick="_delirium" time="18:58:56.138Z">DiZzZz_, I want to generate the pages for Google Summer of Code and get them up onto the website for exist-db.org</message>

<message nick="DiZzZz_" time="18:58:59.743Z">mental coaching</message>

<message nick="DiZzZz_" time="18:59:15.584Z">ah on the sf server?</message>

<message nick="_delirium" time="18:59:25.828Z">erm i dunno</message>

<message nick="_delirium" time="18:59:33.549Z">im not really sure of the setup</message>

<message nick="DiZzZz_" time="18:59:49.701Z">yeah you want to update the html files on www.exist-db.org , right?</message>

<message nick="_delirium" time="18:59:58.493Z">i think so yes</message>

<message nick="_delirium" time="19:00:08.256Z">i remember when i did it years ago it was very difficult</message>

<message nick="DiZzZz_" time="19:00:14.274Z">naaaaaaah</message>

<message nick="DiZzZz_" time="19:00:49.952Z">./build.sh svn-update</message>

<message nick="DiZzZz_" time="19:01:24.459Z">momento</message>

<message nick="perig___" time="19:02:40.012Z">errrr.... build docs ?</message>

<message nick="DiZzZz_" time="19:03:21.128Z">./build.sh docs</message>

<message nick="DiZzZz_" time="19:04:07.24Z">result is in build/docs/html</message>

<message nick="wolf77" time="19:04:09.784Z">but be careful when replacing files ;-)</message>

<message nick="DiZzZz_" time="19:04:26.436Z">upload these files .... carefull with javadoc</message>

<message nick="DiZzZz_" time="19:04:41.397Z">and don't forget the user/unix permissions</message>

<message nick="DiZzZz_" time="19:04:48.837Z">upload with ssh/scp</message>

<message nick="wolf77" time="19:05:03.637Z">just uploading the changed files should be sufficient. not sure if index.html was changed.</message>

<message nick="_delirium" time="19:05:05.109Z">erm whats the server address</message>

<message nick="DiZzZz_" time="19:05:52.313Z">right wolf77 that is better</message>

<message nick="DiZzZz_" time="19:06:18.569Z">pfew, need to check the sfnet docs for that</message>

<message nick="_delirium" time="19:06:27.17Z">do i need a private key?</message>

<message nick="_delirium" time="19:06:39.978Z">username and password?</message>

<message nick="perig___" time="19:06:46.106Z">yes, don't forget about the file permsissions ; last time, Adam was the only one to be able to change them :-)</message>

<message nick="_delirium" time="19:07:13.533Z">erm i dunno what im doing?!?</message>

<message nick="_delirium" time="19:12:53.996Z">okay im logged into the shell server</message>

<message nick="_delirium" time="19:15:48.833Z">okay so I am removing summer.xml summer.html soc-ft.html soc-xqj.html and then uploading the gsoc folder and replacing sidebar.html</message>

<message nick="_delirium" time="19:16:04.104Z">all sound ok?</message>

<message nick="perig___" time="19:17:28.959Z">why discard the old files ?</message>

<message nick="_delirium" time="19:17:55.686Z">to avoid future confusion as they are no longer needed - there are copies of them in gsoc/2007/</message>

<message nick="perig___" time="19:18:48.978Z">I wonder if Google would not be curious to see what we proposed last year. Anyway...</message>

<message nick="_delirium" time="19:19:22.263Z">yeah they can its linked to</message>

<message nick="_delirium" time="19:19:51.253Z">balls balls balls</message>

<message nick="_delirium" time="19:20:05.932Z">something i had working with Saxon in db2html.xsl is not working right with Xalan</message>

<message nick="gev" time="19:23:50.868Z">one more suugestion about filter</message>

<message nick="gev" time="19:24:55.035Z">run filter's query from current user, if one not setuped by filter's parameters </message>

<message nick="_delirium" time="19:30:31.342Z">aGGhhhh I hate XSLT v1.0</message>

<message nick="_delirium" time="19:52:33.968Z">in xslt 1 how can i interate over a set of elements and create a single string?</message>

<message nick="wolf77" time="20:03:54.883Z">gev: the default user is guest</message>

<message nick="wolf77" time="20:04:09.683Z">so what do you mean by current user?</message>

<message nick="gev" time="20:04:23.091Z">current logined</message>

<message nick="_delirium" time="20:04:51.54Z">wolf77, had problems with that approach and xalan</message>

<message nick="wolf77" time="20:04:51.84Z"